Closing Arguments

Instead of believing you guys are chemists and especially you Sarah, you should spend a little money with a professor of chemistry at a university. You guys are not chemists. You haven't a slightest clue as to the facts here. You are sailing along in la la land. You should have read that paper I suggested.

More than 5 million people have downloaded my basic free book. My total book is printed in 15 different languages. I have done lectures to hundreds of people all over Europe and other parts of the world with many actual chemists in the Audiences. Again you don't have a clue as to the chemistry. I have personally treated 5000 people and another 5000 over the internet all free of charge. More than a hundred thousand malaria victims were treated by people I trained and they were OK in less than 4 hours. Normally 400 out of that many would have died, but there were no deaths. I have seen more people cured of more diseases than any other person on Earth, you you guys are denying thousands of people the chance to overcome their suffering or to live a longer healthier life.

Please tell me why would I do this. I don't sell M.M.S.. I get no income from anyone who does sell M.M.S.. Why would I spend the time in the jungle. Can you possible believe that I just want to stand up in front of people and lie to them for no reason?

I am sorry. I was merely trying to help. All I have gotten out of you is sarcasm and hate. I am going to have to let you poor that out on someone else as I am not going to even bother reading the rest of your rebuttal. The last paragraph I have read is where you have laughingly tried to measure the oxidation voltage of hydrogen peroxide (Round 1). That is so dumb I can't believe you expert chemists could possible prepare the formula for an apple pie. You all have less knowledge of chemistry than a 6th grader and you then you call me names with sarcasm and hate. Frankly I don't see why you don't apply for a nice job at the FDA as you all have the same mentality. Here is a guy trying to help mankind so lets just see if we can make him look like shit. And you can, for a little while, then you will find that you were wrong about everything. I offered to help you and you just treated me worse that a cow.

I must not understand me. Maybe you can help. Why am I spending 18 hours a day doing all this for no income for the last 14 years. People didn't listen at all for the first 10 years, just the last 4 years. I spent all my retirement money and sold everything I own and gave my house trailer away to one of those homeless girls... [Word limit Reached]


Firstly, chemistry is not the solution to the diseases that plague our society. It's the cause.

Your success statistics are only available from you: an uncredible and self-serving source of information. We have given you chance after chance to provide real evidence that M.M.S. has some benefit, and that it is indeed safer than the bleach that it is. With thousands of purported 'miracle' cures worldwide, we would expect for at least one credible, independent, verifiable, 3rd party somewhere to actually document it.

If we ever decide to begin a business of poisoning already sick people (for instance with bleach) then we'll accept your advice about getting proper chemistry degrees. Until then, we'll suffice with our inferior educations.

Unlike yourself, real saints do not boast about their own greatness, stroke themselves publicly, or falsify information. You're far from the altruistic, selfless saint that you have consistently paraded yourself as being. It is unnecessary for truly righteous people to tell us of their greatness, and real saints have no desire to brag about themselves. You are hurting people, and you have willfully chosen to continue hurting people indefinitely. That is the opposite of saintly, as far as we are concerned.

Your allegation of not making money from your M.M.S. scam is cunning. You know that the one thing we cannot verify is your financial records, and therefore we cannot prove that you are lying about it. Be aware that this will quickly change if you are ever prosecuted in the U.S. for your crimes, because the incriminating evidence would become public records. When it happens, you can count on us to be one of the first to publish it. We noticed you moved to Mexico, which is a smart move. I likewise noticed that you said elsewhere, "I live in Mexico, just in case." Would a saint cowardly flee to another country, and would he even have a reason to?

Your personality closely matches a sociopathic boyfriend from when I was age 14. He was a convict and a pedophile in his middle thirties. This boyfriend followed the familiar sociopathic pattern of first reigning me in with fantastic fabrications about his history that made him appear heroic and saintly. Later, when he felt that his position and power had diminished somewhat, he began beating my spirit down by telling me about how inferior I was morally, and about how intellectually crippled I was. We know people like that, don't we, Mr. Humble? Finally, when all else failed, and he had become really desperate from his manipulation failures, he appealed to my conscience with guilt games about how I was hurting a modern day messiah. Sounds really familiar, doesn't it?

You are too arrogant to realize that you were beaten long ago, Mr. Humble, and you're too prideful to ever admit that we read you like a book from the very beginning. I hope this stands as a testament to your modus operandi, so that others will not be taken in by your slick games in the future.

Mr. Humble, you are in ours and many others' opinion, an inherently evil man.

May we call you "Jim"?

Epilogue

The wildly popular Signs of The Times (SOTT.net) site has backed The Health Wyze Report on the M.M.S. issue, and has reprinted both of our special reports about M.M.S. in their entirety. Because of this, Mr. Humble has moved onto trying to manipulate the people behind SOTT. He apparently felt that they would be easier targets considering how effective his manipulations have been with us. Mr. Humble has discovered that they are no easier. His newest claims about his own literal holiness are so incredible that we feel compelled to mention them.

Humble wrote:

"This church ['Spiritis Church', a.k.a. 'Liberal Catholic Church'] has come to us down through the centuries from the original apostles of Jesus Christ. There is an unbroken lineage of succession of Bishops for 2000 years to now. The name of each Bishop is recorded. The first apostles were Bishops. The Catholic Church broke off from this first Church 325 years AD, but the Original Church continued until now. You have never heard of it because it is small. It embraces all denominations of Christianity and actually all religions of the world and always has for 2000 years. I became a minister, a Deacon, a Priest, and finally a Bishop. So let me introduce myself again. I am Bishop James Humble...

"Let me introduce myself to you again, I am Bishop James V Humble concecrated [sic] into the lineage of Bishop leading back to Jesus Christ at Antioch when he gave the command, "go ye into the world and Heal the sick." As a Bishop I am expected to form a church which I have. The Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing. That is what we do. We do healing. We do healing free at no cost and support the church on donations. We do not teach religious truths, but rather leave that up to other churches while we concentrate on healing the sick. Our Ministers, of course, do the same."

With Humble being the master manipulator that he his, we believe that we know where he is going with this. He is eventually going to try to hide behind Americans' right of religious freedom by declaring that M.M.S. is his holy healing elixir, which is necessary for the practice of his 'faith', as soon as he finds himself arrested in the U.S., or his sales become too crippled by regulatory action.


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Comments   

Robert Ferguson
# Robert Ferguson 2010-08-25 11:53
They're like parasites, aren't they? Maybe you should use MMS on some of these people. :-)

The most recent article here (heart disease) had a quote in it that I remember seeing in the magazine H.W. put out.

Quote:
Chlorine is the greatest crippler and killer of modern times. While it prevented epidemics of one disease, it was creating another. Two decades ago, after the start of chlorinating our drinking water in 1904, the present epidemic of heart trouble, cancer and senility began.
The chlorine compound used in municipal water is "MMS". They are exactly the same chemical. It was noticed at the beginning of the 1900's that the new "MMS" contamination of the water supplies was causing horrible diseases at levels never seen before, so they waited until the 1950's and then started using fluoride too! I'm glad they're looking out for us!

I decided to look up the guy who made the quote (Dr. Price), but there are so many Prices on the Internet that I ended up going in circles. Anyway, that's not important.

I came upon a page that pretty much spells out what a person can expect from MMS, because it cites what lower a dosage in the standard drinking water does.

http://www.holistichealthtools.com/chlorine.html

By the way. Great job guys. I know you two are taking a lot of flack from these types of articles, but somebody out there has to tell the truth. Somebody's got to play the cowboy when everyone else is too afraid.
Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor)
# Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor) 2010-09-01 04:57
This post contains a submitted comment. I would not normally post something like it, but it shows the modus operandi of Humble's M.M.S. inner circle. It was so slick and devious in its manipulations that it is disgusting. We are posting this because the psychological ploys it catalogs may be useful to potential victims of fraudsters, and to other reporters who likewise get astroturfed with this hapless garbage.

Here's a fun test for readers. Read the quote below and see how many of the manipulation tricks you can detect. My notes are at the bottom for you to check your success rate. It's fun. Try it!

Quote:
Sarah and Thomas,

FYI I am not an MMS seller or in any way connected with it's manufacture or distribution but I have researched it and used it not only myself but a number of friends and family members have received phenomenal results from MMS. I read your "article" about the MMS "fraud" and I must say it is appalling in it's lack of even the most basic factual basis. The MMS solution is NOT CHLORINE nor does it produce chlorine in the body or react as chlorine does. There is a wealth of factual information about how Chlorine Dioxide functions as a scavenger and killer of pathogens. The information provided on MMS information sites about how Chlorine Dioxide functions has been transparent and scientifically solid.

How can you even claim to be a site that informs about any! thing at all when your "information" that you postulate as fact is so fraught with gross error and misinformation that it would be laughable except for the fact that you are misleading people who are duped into believing your outrageous claims of researching subjects and "exposing frauds".

If your article and posts are read with any discerning intelligence at all it becomes obvious that your site is committing the fraud against the readers. The posts are such a flagrant smoke screen and insulting in their transparency as self generated propaganda to support the fantasies you put forward as "facts" that spit in the face of documented scientific evidence.

Of course this post probably won't make it onto your site because it is too truthful and real. As you put it, Thomas, you will probably just "censure out comments, which are obviously contrary to the welfare of our readership." HA!

You don't trust your readership to be intelligent enough to read open comments about content? Or more likely, you realize that they would come to the same conclusions that I did.

What ship did you say your readership was again? The TITANIC?
Notice in the quote that the manipulator believes that he has psychologically profiled me, and knows enough about my character to manipulate me. He's overestimating himself.

It's particularly interesting that this person knows that we are censuring such spams, and he would only know this if he had been flooding us with such messages using different names.

Test Yourself Time! How many did you spot?

1 - He's an anonymous, yet completely independent 3rd party who's just interested in scientific facts that support MMS sales.

2 - Even though he's an anonymous, independent 3rd party, and normal person, researching M.M.S. somehow is his hobby (scientifically of course).

3 - He says M.M.S. is not chlorine. (It's just chlorine dioxide used for chlorination). Thus, it is completely safe not being what it is.

4 - Bait and switch. He claimed that M.M.S. (pool disinfectant) is known to kill pathogens as his strong point of factual evidence, even though we never claimed that M.M.S. would not kill. In fact, Sarah wrote that it kills a little too well, and its destructive tendencies makes it an excellent bleaching agent for industrial use. Chlorine dioxide in the drinking water is probably the largest single cause of heart disease.

5 - Guilt. I am a very bad, bad, naughty editor. I am apparently hurting all of you by withholding MMS marketing, and I should be very ashamed.

6 - Turbo Guilt. He used my own editorial comments about managing a news source with journalistic integrity from when I wrote, "censure out comments, which are obviously contrary to the welfare of our readership." This one is slicker than is readily obvious, and this shows the mind of a sociopath. He spotted that quote elsewhere while looking for ammunition and building his profile of me. On one hand, he is attacking my integrity subtly with a freedom of speech implication, as if we owe him a marketing forum for his crap, and that we are trampling on his rights. This ploy is also intended to infer that I am preventing our readers from getting the type of open discussion that they want and deserve. Of course, I actually have no problems with legitimate discussions that are open and honest. Lies, on the other hand, are a problem.

7 - He made a sad attempt at reverse psychology. He implied that our not posting his deceitful marketing is somehow proof that he is right, therefore I'm forced to post the comment our of fear that I'll look wrong. Anyone who has studied sociopathology, or who has had the misfortune of being around such a person for any length of time will easily see the usual pattern of behavior by this point.

8 - He likes to mention scientific proof without actually mentioning any scientific proof. Claims of con-men are not scientific proof.

9 - Finally, the overall writing style and belittling platitudes about superior intelligence closely match those of Jim Humble's, and we're certain that it is him. He likes to write to us using different names, in the same way that criminals use different aliases.
Jonathan Campbell
# Great debate! Jonathan Campbell 2010-11-01 20:25
I have written a short article on my website about MMS, which everyone will enjoy. It's at http://www.cqs.com/mms.htm

The thing that is missing from the debate is that Humble's claim that MMS (aka sodium chlorite -> chlorine dioxide) does not create elemental chlorine is patently false. I found this out from Joe Thornton's book Pandora's Poison.

Apparently the notion that CLO2 was "elemental chlorine free" was a marketing ploy by the pulp/paper industry, and what it meant literally is that they no longer actually used elemental chlorine as an input chemical. But when CLO2 is created in water from aqueous sodium chlorite, it immediately reacts with water to produce both elemental chlorine and hypochlorous acid as byproducts! The proof is that the pulp/paper plants still created huge amounts of chlorinated hydrocarbon contamination in the wastewater.

So all of Jim Humble's claims about the "safety" of MMS because it doesn't have any elemental chlorine are complete bunk.

Regards
Jonathan
Zack Wesley
# intersting debate Zack Wesley 2011-08-08 18:18
very interesting debate but I do not understand your hostility and sarcasm that you are using in arguing your points.

don't you think it would be more productive to use your arguments to drive your point?
Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor)
# Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor) 2011-08-15 12:38
If the debate had been polite, despite Humble's unwillingness to obey his own rules, then we would have not accomplished anything. The tone of the debate is exactly why this report became somewhat viral on the Net, and therefore, we almost certainly saved more people with our aggressiveness. As editor, I stand behind my decision to have Sarah go after Humble with a "no holding back" policy. We would gladly do it again.

We try to help people who are merely mislead, but Humble is causing people to be mislead. There are no chivalrous rules of engagement when fighting the devil. Jim Humble boasts of his chemistry knowledge everywhere, which means that he knows exactly what he is doing to people, and he's doing it on purpose. He is truly evil.

We can save people or we can be politically correct cowards like you are. That decision was made long ago.
Lois Kolbet
# Jim Humble and automatic garage door Lois Kolbet 2013-07-05 16:19
From Wikipedia: The electric overhead garage door opener was invented by C.G. Johnson in 1926 in Hartford City, Indiana.

From Jim's website: On top of all this, he also single handedly designed and built the first working model for the automated garage door that we all now take for granted!

Now there are five stages of the automatic garage door opener, so he may have done one of them...
onya nwokedi
# I know im late! onya nwokedi 2016-02-26 11:53
It's so sad. This whole thing is sad.
I know for a fact MMS is a killer I am UK BSc Chemistry and Forensic Science holder and have a Masters in Toxicology. Obviously I was laughing out loud to myself when he kept mentioning electrons.
Anyway the sad part is he and many others out there are praying on all those with no hope who have given up on conventional medicine. Those who have been told by their Doctors theres nothing we can do. Those are the desperate people seeking hope and will believe anything alternative you tell them. That's who he gets.

By the way I am victim too as I tried it plus the MMS2
What is does is make you within seconds violently through up your entire stomach contents (remember you have to take it on an empty stomach to be most effective) of which hours later you will be lying in bed with extricating stomach pain as if your stomach acid is burning through your intestinal wall. Thats what I experienced and that was with 7 drops.
Anyway I couldn't stand the smell, the constant vomiting and stomach pain soon put me off, but a friend of mine still uses it. i have noticed over the years he is looking more and more unhealthy, thin, older, just plain old unhealthy.
Till this day I can't stand by a swimming pool and smell chlorine and not gag a little.

MMS i literally poison

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