On the 30th of July in 2010, I browsed through my e-mail messages to make a startling discovery. We had received a message from none other than infamous Jim "M.M.S." Humble. After a brief moment of eye rubbing, to ensure that I had not been hallucinating, I eagerly read his message and then shared it with Thomas. Humble was upset about the unflattering findings that our research uncovered about his alternative "medicine".

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In the left corner, we have Jim Humble, "inventor" of "Miracle Mineral Solution".

In the right corner, we have weighing in, Sarah C. Corriher of HealthWyze.org


His message thusly began:

Thomas and Sarahlcain,

In looking this site over I find quite a lot of useful information. Thus I wondered if you might be interested in opening a dialogue concerning what I am doing since there is a lot of inaccuracies in you information about my stuff, M.M.S., that is if you know who I am.

I have no animosity towards those of you who talk as you do. Possibly we could have an amiable dialogue.

up to you

Jim Humble

Thomas replied with:

Mr. Humble,

Yes, we did plenty of research into M.M.S., so we are familiar with you. There are two possibilities that I see here: 1. You really believe in what you are doing or 2. you have real guts. It is possibly both.

We take our work very seriously. Seeking the truth is one of our highest objectives: just behind 'first do no harm'. We would never print anything that we were not absolutely certain was true. Not only are there moral issues at play; but moreover, our credibility is always on the line.

If you would like a chance to debate us, in order to demonstrate that we have been wrong, then I suggest we do it out in the open. Let's not debate privately in the shadows, because complete openness and honesty are principles that we value, and because this issue has the potential to have a massive impact on the lives of our readers. We normally would not make such an offer to someone who we so strongly feel is harming people, but I get the overwhelming impression that you sincerely believe in what you are doing. Your noble intentions have earned you some karma in my opinion.

If an open and public debate seems agreeable to you, then we will need to agree to some basic rules, like how long our debate should last, and how long the replies may be. I will do no editing on your replies, unless you want me to. Perhaps I could use a picture of us and a picture of you at the top, if that's okay. Readers really like that sort of personal touch, and it draws them into the story.

-- Thomas Corriher

Jim Humble accepted the challenge, so here we are with the debate for all to see. We play no games and have very few secrets here. Unfortunately, Mr. Humble did not do the same. Immediately after accepting our challenge, we suddenly and coincidentally began getting flooded with pro-M.M.S. e-mails and article comments from people pretending to be concerned average Joes and regular readers of The Health Wyze Report. Mr. Humble and his sock puppet partners apparently believe that we are as naïve as M.M.S. customers are, despite the work that we have already done in exposing him. This M.M.S. brigade has flooded countless online forums with deceptive astroturf messages in an attempt to convince everyone that M.M.S. is a legitimate medicine, and that people all over the world are using it safely every day to cure any and all ailments. Some of these postings even claimed that it is doctor recommended by phantom doctors who do not seem to exist, even though it is not approved for human consumption (much less medicine) in any country in the world. Until we began getting such messages recently, a part of me wanted to believe that he meant well, and might actually conduct himself in an honorable manner. Further aggravation was caused by the fact that I have a personal problem with anyone who makes a habit of insulting our intelligence.

I suppose that we should have expected the behavior that he demonstrated from his well known reputation as a con artist; but whenever someone writes that he wants to begin a peaceful and friendly relationship, then a part of me really wants to believe it. I want people to be good and do what is right. In regard to Humble's infamous reputation, just look him up on the Internet for yourself. Readers will notice that he, and his business partners, are all flooding forums with dishonest astroturf messages in an attempt to convince everyone that M.M.S. is legitimate medicine. The number of messages from people clearly hiding their identities and their exaggerated claims grow every time that we look. The usual pattern is that you don't need anything except M.M.S., because it does everything from cancer to AIDS. The M.M.S. claims are flabbergasting, but they barely compare to Humble's claims about himself.

Apparently, Humble is single-handedly wiping out malaria in Africa. All the Africans had to do was drink his bleach-like 'miracle' solution, and suddenly their malaria symptoms were not so noticeable anymore. Isn't that like hitting oneself on the toe with a hammer in order to forget about the tooth ache? We have been waiting for the proof of Humble's 'miracles', but that scientific data is just too censored to ever get out; according to Humble, that is. In the meantime, we'll have to bank on his integrity.

Believe it or not, that's not all that Humble has accomplished. According to one of his marketing sites, "Jim" is a former aerospace engineer for N.A.S.A., but that's not all! He also helped the moon missions by designing the lunar rovers. That was just the beginning of Jim's glory. He helped design the first atomic bombs too, so he was likely to have been personal friends with Albert Einstein. We must wonder if he constantly insulted Einstein's intelligence. Humble also made the first satellite remote control digital logic circuits at Huges Aerospace Corp., and then he innovated analog electronics too, by documenting how foregone vacuum tube based computers work. He completed that last task for the less gifted, little people.

On the topic of his M.M.S. web sites, there are some unique patterns to them. All of them pretend to be made by independent 3rd parties, yet virtually all of them are hosted with Bluehost. If that were not enough for coincidences, then how about the fact that each of these sites hides the person who registered the DNS by using the anonymous Domains By Proxy service? A skeptical person might get the impression that all those independent sites were produced, and paid for by a single person, who is trying to hide his identity.

When he's not building spacecraft for N.A.S.A., one of Humble's favorite hobbies is Photo Shop editing photographs to make it appear as if he has done things that he has not really done, or been to places that he has not really been. Closely inspect these forgeries from his sites, which are purportedly showing Humble wiping out malaria.

In these photos, he's playing doctor again, and he is even sporting improperly fitting lab coats. Notice the glow around the guy's head in the yellow shirt, and around the two ladies' heads on the right? That isn't The Force we're seeing. These are remnants of cut and paste operations from photo editing software. Jim may be the world's best aeronautical engineer, computer engineer, and atomic weapons expert, but his Photo Shop skills leave much to be desired. Skeptical people could get the impression that Jim is not a completely honest person.

Anyway, Thomas specified the rules of my debate with Humble. The rules specified a 500 word limit for each side's replies, and a single argument per day, which was to last for a period of 2 weeks. Of course, Mr. Humble did not abide by the rules. He pretended like he was too confused to understand our previously agreed upon rules of conduct once he began sending us his tirades. Considering his supposed past intellectual accomplishments, we found his sudden confusion to be rather intriguing, and it is what we would expect from a sociopathic manipulator. We have seen Humble's type of arrogance before, and we studied Humble's modus operandi enough to anticipate that he would flood us with overwhelmingly lengthy, circular arguments, in an attempt to wear us down. The confirmation of our predictions about him told us that Mr. Humble had no comprehension whatsoever of what, or who, he was up against. We were okay with that. He was welcome to make a noose and insert his head inside. So be it.

Comments   

Robert Ferguson
# Robert Ferguson 2010-08-25 11:53
They're like parasites, aren't they? Maybe you should use MMS on some of these people. :-)

The most recent article here (heart disease) had a quote in it that I remember seeing in the magazine H.W. put out.

Quote:
Chlorine is the greatest crippler and killer of modern times. While it prevented epidemics of one disease, it was creating another. Two decades ago, after the start of chlorinating our drinking water in 1904, the present epidemic of heart trouble, cancer and senility began.
The chlorine compound used in municipal water is "MMS". They are exactly the same chemical. It was noticed at the beginning of the 1900's that the new "MMS" contamination of the water supplies was causing horrible diseases at levels never seen before, so they waited until the 1950's and then started using fluoride too! I'm glad they're looking out for us!

I decided to look up the guy who made the quote (Dr. Price), but there are so many Prices on the Internet that I ended up going in circles. Anyway, that's not important.

I came upon a page that pretty much spells out what a person can expect from MMS, because it cites what lower a dosage in the standard drinking water does.

http://www.holistichealthtools.com/chlorine.html

By the way. Great job guys. I know you two are taking a lot of flack from these types of articles, but somebody out there has to tell the truth. Somebody's got to play the cowboy when everyone else is too afraid.
Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor)
# Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor) 2010-09-01 04:57
This post contains a submitted comment. I would not normally post something like it, but it shows the modus operandi of Humble's M.M.S. inner circle. It was so slick and devious in its manipulations that it is disgusting. We are posting this because the psychological ploys it catalogs may be useful to potential victims of fraudsters, and to other reporters who likewise get astroturfed with this hapless garbage.

Here's a fun test for readers. Read the quote below and see how many of the manipulation tricks you can detect. My notes are at the bottom for you to check your success rate. It's fun. Try it!

Quote:
Sarah and Thomas,

FYI I am not an MMS seller or in any way connected with it's manufacture or distribution but I have researched it and used it not only myself but a number of friends and family members have received phenomenal results from MMS. I read your "article" about the MMS "fraud" and I must say it is appalling in it's lack of even the most basic factual basis. The MMS solution is NOT CHLORINE nor does it produce chlorine in the body or react as chlorine does. There is a wealth of factual information about how Chlorine Dioxide functions as a scavenger and killer of pathogens. The information provided on MMS information sites about how Chlorine Dioxide functions has been transparent and scientifically solid.

How can you even claim to be a site that informs about any! thing at all when your "information" that you postulate as fact is so fraught with gross error and misinformation that it would be laughable except for the fact that you are misleading people who are duped into believing your outrageous claims of researching subjects and "exposing frauds".

If your article and posts are read with any discerning intelligence at all it becomes obvious that your site is committing the fraud against the readers. The posts are such a flagrant smoke screen and insulting in their transparency as self generated propaganda to support the fantasies you put forward as "facts" that spit in the face of documented scientific evidence.

Of course this post probably won't make it onto your site because it is too truthful and real. As you put it, Thomas, you will probably just "censure out comments, which are obviously contrary to the welfare of our readership." HA!

You don't trust your readership to be intelligent enough to read open comments about content? Or more likely, you realize that they would come to the same conclusions that I did.

What ship did you say your readership was again? The TITANIC?
Notice in the quote that the manipulator believes that he has psychologically profiled me, and knows enough about my character to manipulate me. He's overestimating himself.

It's particularly interesting that this person knows that we are censuring such spams, and he would only know this if he had been flooding us with such messages using different names.

Test Yourself Time! How many did you spot?

1 - He's an anonymous, yet completely independent 3rd party who's just interested in scientific facts that support MMS sales.

2 - Even though he's an anonymous, independent 3rd party, and normal person, researching M.M.S. somehow is his hobby (scientifically of course).

3 - He says M.M.S. is not chlorine. (It's just chlorine dioxide used for chlorination). Thus, it is completely safe not being what it is.

4 - Bait and switch. He claimed that M.M.S. (pool disinfectant) is known to kill pathogens as his strong point of factual evidence, even though we never claimed that M.M.S. would not kill. In fact, Sarah wrote that it kills a little too well, and its destructive tendencies makes it an excellent bleaching agent for industrial use. Chlorine dioxide in the drinking water is probably the largest single cause of heart disease.

5 - Guilt. I am a very bad, bad, naughty editor. I am apparently hurting all of you by withholding MMS marketing, and I should be very ashamed.

6 - Turbo Guilt. He used my own editorial comments about managing a news source with journalistic integrity from when I wrote, "censure out comments, which are obviously contrary to the welfare of our readership." This one is slicker than is readily obvious, and this shows the mind of a sociopath. He spotted that quote elsewhere while looking for ammunition and building his profile of me. On one hand, he is attacking my integrity subtly with a freedom of speech implication, as if we owe him a marketing forum for his crap, and that we are trampling on his rights. This ploy is also intended to infer that I am preventing our readers from getting the type of open discussion that they want and deserve. Of course, I actually have no problems with legitimate discussions that are open and honest. Lies, on the other hand, are a problem.

7 - He made a sad attempt at reverse psychology. He implied that our not posting his deceitful marketing is somehow proof that he is right, therefore I'm forced to post the comment our of fear that I'll look wrong. Anyone who has studied sociopathology, or who has had the misfortune of being around such a person for any length of time will easily see the usual pattern of behavior by this point.

8 - He likes to mention scientific proof without actually mentioning any scientific proof. Claims of con-men are not scientific proof.

9 - Finally, the overall writing style and belittling platitudes about superior intelligence closely match those of Jim Humble's, and we're certain that it is him. He likes to write to us using different names, in the same way that criminals use different aliases.
Jonathan Campbell
# Great debate! Jonathan Campbell 2010-11-01 20:25
I have written a short article on my website about MMS, which everyone will enjoy. It's at http://www.cqs.com/mms.htm

The thing that is missing from the debate is that Humble's claim that MMS (aka sodium chlorite -> chlorine dioxide) does not create elemental chlorine is patently false. I found this out from Joe Thornton's book Pandora's Poison.

Apparently the notion that CLO2 was "elemental chlorine free" was a marketing ploy by the pulp/paper industry, and what it meant literally is that they no longer actually used elemental chlorine as an input chemical. But when CLO2 is created in water from aqueous sodium chlorite, it immediately reacts with water to produce both elemental chlorine and hypochlorous acid as byproducts! The proof is that the pulp/paper plants still created huge amounts of chlorinated hydrocarbon contamination in the wastewater.

So all of Jim Humble's claims about the "safety" of MMS because it doesn't have any elemental chlorine are complete bunk.

Regards
Jonathan
Zack Wesley
# intersting debate Zack Wesley 2011-08-08 18:18
very interesting debate but I do not understand your hostility and sarcasm that you are using in arguing your points.

don't you think it would be more productive to use your arguments to drive your point?
Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor)
# Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor) 2011-08-15 12:38
If the debate had been polite, despite Humble's unwillingness to obey his own rules, then we would have not accomplished anything. The tone of the debate is exactly why this report became somewhat viral on the Net, and therefore, we almost certainly saved more people with our aggressiveness. As editor, I stand behind my decision to have Sarah go after Humble with a "no holding back" policy. We would gladly do it again.

We try to help people who are merely mislead, but Humble is causing people to be mislead. There are no chivalrous rules of engagement when fighting the devil. Jim Humble boasts of his chemistry knowledge everywhere, which means that he knows exactly what he is doing to people, and he's doing it on purpose. He is truly evil.

We can save people or we can be politically correct cowards like you are. That decision was made long ago.
Lois Kolbet
# Jim Humble and automatic garage door Lois Kolbet 2013-07-05 16:19
From Wikipedia: The electric overhead garage door opener was invented by C.G. Johnson in 1926 in Hartford City, Indiana.

From Jim's website: On top of all this, he also single handedly designed and built the first working model for the automated garage door that we all now take for granted!

Now there are five stages of the automatic garage door opener, so he may have done one of them...
onya nwokedi
# I know im late! onya nwokedi 2016-02-26 11:53
It's so sad. This whole thing is sad.
I know for a fact MMS is a killer I am UK BSc Chemistry and Forensic Science holder and have a Masters in Toxicology. Obviously I was laughing out loud to myself when he kept mentioning electrons.
Anyway the sad part is he and many others out there are praying on all those with no hope who have given up on conventional medicine. Those who have been told by their Doctors theres nothing we can do. Those are the desperate people seeking hope and will believe anything alternative you tell them. That's who he gets.

By the way I am victim too as I tried it plus the MMS2
What is does is make you within seconds violently through up your entire stomach contents (remember you have to take it on an empty stomach to be most effective) of which hours later you will be lying in bed with extricating stomach pain as if your stomach acid is burning through your intestinal wall. Thats what I experienced and that was with 7 drops.
Anyway I couldn't stand the smell, the constant vomiting and stomach pain soon put me off, but a friend of mine still uses it. i have noticed over the years he is looking more and more unhealthy, thin, older, just plain old unhealthy.
Till this day I can't stand by a swimming pool and smell chlorine and not gag a little.

MMS i literally poison

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