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On the 30th of July in 2010, I browsed through my e-mail messages to make a startling discovery. We had received a message from none other than infamous Jim "M.M.S." Humble. After a brief moment of eye rubbing, to ensure that I had not been hallucinating, I eagerly read his message and then shared it with Thomas. Humble was upset about the unflattering findings that our research uncovered about his alternative "medicine".

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In the left corner, we have Jim Humble, "inventor" of "Miracle Mineral Solution".

In the right corner, we have weighing in, Sarah C. Corriher of HealthWyze.org


His message thusly began:

Thomas and Sarahlcain,

In looking this site over I find quite a lot of useful information. Thus I wondered if you might be interested in opening a dialogue concerning what I am doing since there is a lot of inaccuracies in you information about my stuff, M.M.S., that is if you know who I am.

I have no animosity towards those of you who talk as you do. Possibly we could have an amiable dialogue.

up to you

Jim Humble

Thomas replied with:

Mr. Humble,

Yes, we did plenty of research into M.M.S., so we are familiar with you. There are two possibilities that I see here: 1. You really believe in what you are doing or 2. you have real guts. It is possibly both.

We take our work very seriously. Seeking the truth is one of our highest objectives: just behind 'first do no harm'. We would never print anything that we were not absolutely certain was true. Not only are there moral issues at play; but moreover, our credibility is always on the line.

If you would like a chance to debate us, in order to demonstrate that we have been wrong, then I suggest we do it out in the open. Let's not debate privately in the shadows, because complete openness and honesty are principles that we value, and because this issue has the potential to have a massive impact on the lives of our readers. We normally would not make such an offer to someone who we so strongly feel is harming people, but I get the overwhelming impression that you sincerely believe in what you are doing. Your noble intentions have earned you some karma in my opinion.

If an open and public debate seems agreeable to you, then we will need to agree to some basic rules, like how long our debate should last, and how long the replies may be. I will do no editing on your replies, unless you want me to. Perhaps I could use a picture of us and a picture of you at the top, if that's okay. Readers really like that sort of personal touch, and it draws them into the story.

-- Thomas Corriher

Jim Humble accepted the challenge, so here we are with the debate for all to see. We play no games and have very few secrets here. Unfortunately, Mr. Humble did not do the same. Immediately after accepting our challenge, we suddenly and coincidentally began getting flooded with pro-M.M.S. e-mails and article comments from people pretending to be concerned average Joes and regular readers of The Health Wyze Report. Mr. Humble and his sock puppet partners apparently believe that we are as naïve as M.M.S. customers are, despite the work that we have already done in exposing him. This M.M.S. brigade has flooded countless online forums with deceptive astroturf messages in an attempt to convince everyone that M.M.S. is a legitimate medicine, and that people all over the world are using it safely every day to cure any and all ailments. Some of these postings even claimed that it is doctor recommended by phantom doctors who do not seem to exist, even though it is not approved for human consumption (much less medicine) in any country in the world. Until we began getting such messages recently, a part of me wanted to believe that he meant well, and might actually conduct himself in an honorable manner. Further aggravation was caused by the fact that I have a personal problem with anyone who makes a habit of insulting our intelligence.

I suppose that we should have expected the behavior that he demonstrated from his well known reputation as a con artist; but whenever someone writes that he wants to begin a peaceful and friendly relationship, then a part of me really wants to believe it. I want people to be good and do what is right. In regard to Humble's infamous reputation, just look him up on the Internet for yourself. Readers will notice that he, and his business partners, are all flooding forums with dishonest astroturf messages in an attempt to convince everyone that M.M.S. is legitimate medicine. The number of messages from people clearly hiding their identities and their exaggerated claims grow every time that we look. The usual pattern is that you don't need anything except M.M.S., because it does everything from cancer to AIDS. The M.M.S. claims are flabbergasting, but they barely compare to Humble's claims about himself.

Apparently, Humble is single-handedly wiping out malaria in Africa. All the Africans had to do was drink his bleach-like 'miracle' solution, and suddenly their malaria symptoms were not so noticeable anymore. Isn't that like hitting oneself on the toe with a hammer in order to forget about the tooth ache? We have been waiting for the proof of Humble's 'miracles', but that scientific data is just too censored to ever get out; according to Humble, that is. In the meantime, we'll have to bank on his integrity.

Believe it or not, that's not all that Humble has accomplished. According to one of his marketing sites, "Jim" is a former aerospace engineer for N.A.S.A., but that's not all! He also helped the moon missions by designing the lunar rovers. That was just the beginning of Jim's glory. He helped design the first atomic bombs too, so he was likely to have been personal friends with Albert Einstein. We must wonder if he constantly insulted Einstein's intelligence. Humble also made the first satellite remote control digital logic circuits at Huges Aerospace Corp., and then he innovated analog electronics too, by documenting how foregone vacuum tube based computers work. He completed that last task for the less gifted, little people.

On the topic of his M.M.S. web sites, there are some unique patterns to them. All of them pretend to be made by independent 3rd parties, yet virtually all of them are hosted with Bluehost. If that were not enough for coincidences, then how about the fact that each of these sites hides the person who registered the DNS by using the anonymous Domains By Proxy service? A skeptical person might get the impression that all those independent sites were produced, and paid for by a single person, who is trying to hide his identity.

When he's not building spacecraft for N.A.S.A., one of Humble's favorite hobbies is Photo Shop editing photographs to make it appear as if he has done things that he has not really done, or been to places that he has not really been. Closely inspect these forgeries from his sites, which are purportedly showing Humble wiping out malaria.

In these photos, he's playing doctor again, and he is even sporting improperly fitting lab coats. Notice the glow around the guy's head in the yellow shirt, and around the two ladies' heads on the right? That isn't The Force we're seeing. These are remnants of cut and paste operations from photo editing software. Jim may be the world's best aeronautical engineer, computer engineer, and atomic weapons expert, but his Photo Shop skills leave much to be desired. Skeptical people could get the impression that Jim is not a completely honest person.

Anyway, Thomas specified the rules of my debate with Humble. The rules specified a 500 word limit for each side's replies, and a single argument per day, which was to last for a period of 2 weeks. Of course, Mr. Humble did not abide by the rules. He pretended like he was too confused to understand our previously agreed upon rules of conduct once he began sending us his tirades. Considering his supposed past intellectual accomplishments, we found his sudden confusion to be rather intriguing, and it is what we would expect from a sociopathic manipulator. We have seen Humble's type of arrogance before, and we studied Humble's modus operandi enough to anticipate that he would flood us with overwhelmingly lengthy, circular arguments, in an attempt to wear us down. The confirmation of our predictions about him told us that Mr. Humble had no comprehension whatsoever of what, or who, he was up against. We were okay with that. He was welcome to make a noose and insert his head inside. So be it.

Round 1

The first mistake that you enter into your Criticism of M.M.S. is that you think that Chlorine Dioxide and Chlorine are the same thing and that they would thus have the same result in the human body. So let me address that point first.

The fact is, there is no available chlorine in chlorine dioxide. It’s sort of like table salt, there is no available chlorine in table salt, if there were, you would have been dead long ago. Do you see? Table salt is made of chlorine and sodium. Yet it doesn’t kill you. The same situation exists with chlorine dioxide.

Let me suggest a little bit of chemical technology reading. Lenntech a Corporation that sells many kinds of chlorine for various purification purposes has published a technical article on chlorine dioxide that is quoted in many Colleges and Universities around the world. The name of the article is "Disinfectants Chlorine Dioxide." Let me quote just a couple sentences in the paragraph labeled Chlorine Dioxide as an oxidizer: "As an oxidizer chlorine dioxide is very selective. It has this ability due to unique one-electron exchange mechanisms. Chlorine dioxide attacks the electron-rich centers of organic molecules. (I hope everyone understands that pathogens are made of organic molecules) "First, chlorine dioxide takes up a single electron and this causes it to reduce to chlorite: The chlorite ion is oxidized and becomes a chloride ion and that during this reaction it accepts 5 electrons. The chlorine atom remains, until stable chloride is formed from it." I hope you understand what that means. It means that no chlorite or chlorine is formed. It turns to chlorite first, but only for milliseconds and then to chloride (which is table salt.)

To explain those quotes a little bit if it is too technical, the "Chloride" that is mentioned that is formed is table salt (sodium chloride). The chlorine atom remains until chloride is formed. No free chlorine ever becomes available from the chlorine dioxide. The Lenntech.org article goes on to explain that chlorine dioxide has a very low oxidation potential (under .95 volts), much lower than chlorine which is (over 1.4 volts), or oxygen which is (about 1.3 volts), or hydrogen peroxide which is (1.8 volts) and thus cannot oxidize many of the microorganisms in water supplies and other plants where selective oxidizers are needed. And to then explain that in terms of M.M.S., chlorine dioxide in very low concentrates cannot kill some of the beneficial organisms located in the stomach and intestines that are required for digestion.

This data is available from many different educational sources in the world. Don’t take it from me. Look it up for yourself. You may not be aware of the fact that sodium chlorite has been sold in Health food stores for 80 years in the US and was brought to America from Germany about 1930. Only the name was different it is called stabilized oxygen. Hundreds of thousands... [Word count rule exceeded]


Thank you for not getting "too technical" for our feeble minds. We appreciate your concern for us.

Mr. Humble, it has been you who has been intentionally blurring and confusing the lines between the different compounds that chlorine can form. On one hand, you claim M.M.S. is as harmless as salt, while on the other hand, you speak of how powerfully reactive the chlorine is, which supposedly enables it to "kill everything". By the way, we actually agree on that last part. So which is it? Is the chlorine neutralized, so your customers are buying glorified table salt, or is it the powerful reactive chlorine that is well known for its toxicity? Either way, it's called "fraud". You cannot have it both ways, but nice try.

Just so you know, table salt is not harmless either, as I'm sure a great world-changing engineer like yourself knows. The only salt that is almost harmless is sea salt, because it contains minerals that counteract the toxic effects of the chloride. Table salt is well known for its toxic effects, so even if your safety claims were true, you would still be arguing from an eroded position. You also recommend M.M.S. for people with heart disease and high blood pressure, so if your product is safe "like salt", then you are part of their health problems.

As far as its safety, first let us state that your chlorine dioxide is identical to that used for pool decontaminations, and the effects of intentionally consuming it are well known. For one thing, it is an E.P.A. registered pesticide. According to the E.P.A., "Chlorine dioxide is an antimicrobial pesticide recognized for its disinfectant properties since the early 1900s. Chlorine dioxide kills microorganisms by disrupting transport of nutrients across the cell wall."

We already looked it up, and that's why we wrote the original article. The burden of proof is upon you to prove us wrong, if you can.

There is no chlorine dioxide in stabilized oxygen. There is a small amount of table salt inside it. Nice try, but we're well-versed in your sleight-of-hand tricks.

I'm standing here with Thomas' electronics multimeter, with its probes inside some hydrogen peroxide, and frankly, I'm just not getting any voltage reading from it. Should we recalibrate the meter? We are a little slow, after all. Seriously, we can talk about your atomic theories all you want, and go into as many circles with those as you want, but the fact that matters is that the effects of your product upon the human body are already well known, and the electrons really don't care. Let's stick with the real issues here, and you can impress us with your fancy-smancy nuclear knowledge later.

Round 2

In the criticism of M.M.S. the writer continues to confuse the technologies of chlorine and chlorine dioxide not realizing that there is a life and death difference in the two technologies. So let me use the same heading on my article as is used in a section of the Critical article on M.M.S..

The effects of Chlorine on the Body.

In reading the Healthwyze write up concerning this subject I notice that the problems concerning ingestion of chlorine seemed to be pretty much according to the research of the literature that I also found. Chlorine is an oxidizer and in order to destroy most any compound found in the body, it must in the process of oxidation combine with that compound forming a totally new compound and these new compounds are often carcinogenic in nature. This kind of oxidation is known as chlorination. This is one of the main reasons that most new water purification plants employ chlorine dioxide. It does not combine with the item being oxidized, but rather it steals the electrons that hold the item being oxidized together. With the electrons being removed the item, pathogen or heavy metal or other poison, flies apart into its compounds which can be neutral or a poison. The electrons then change the chlorine dioxide components into a chloride which is the basis of table salt, sodium chloride. There is no chlorine dioxide in Clorox or any of the chlorine bleaches, only chlorine.

You may remember in my last article I mentioned that chlorine dioxide actually has no chlorine available at any time during the chemical oxidation cycle and that includes the degeneration cycle into chloride. The chemical oxidation cycle with any pathogen and chlorine dioxide consists of the chlorine dioxide stealing 5 electrons from the cell walls of the pathogen. The sequence goes like this. First a single electron is drawn off of the cell wall and onto the chlorine dioxide ion changing it to a sodium chlorite ion, but that only lasts for a millisecond or two. Then the newly formed sodium chlorite ion exerts a much heavier attraction and thus 4 more electrons are instantly drawn off. No other ion in pathogen chemistry has this unique sequence. The chlorine dioxide doesn’t have the power until it converts to a chlorite and then it blows a hole in the side of the pathogen and thus killing it.

In the case of chlorine dioxide there are a number of conditions that the pathogen must meet in order to be destroyed. The most important condition is the ORP (Oxidation Reduction Potential) voltage of the cell walls of the pathogen. It must match the voltage of the chlorine dioxide in the proper way to be destroyed. Chlorine kills (oxidizes) everything in its path, but as mentioned above, by chlorination, but chlorine dioxide is very selective. It does not combine; it destroys by disassembling the biological components of the cell walls of the pathogen by removing the electrons that hold it together.... [Word count rule exceeded]


Stealing electrons? That is some bad, bad, naughty chlorine.

Maybe we could get back on topic now. We answered most of this in our previous rebuttal. All of your irrelevant atomic theory smoke screens will continue to get ignored. You may discuss those at a physics or chemistry site. Perhaps they'll even be impressed. We're not. We're concerned only with the health implications of M.M.S., and your attempts to distract our readers away from that topic will fail.

We agree that chlorine kills everything in its path, and so does chlorine dioxide. There is nothing "selective" about either. When your product is used as an E.P.A. registered pesticide, for instance, it does not merely kill the bad pathogens inside termites. It kills them. All of them. A poison in small doses is still a poison, regardless of whatever the electrons are doing. It is also worth noting that we, as humans, have cell walls too, so chlorine is also bad for us. What's worse is those scientific studies, like the one below.

Meggs et al. (1996) examined 13 individuals (1 man and 12 women) 5 years after they were occupationally exposed to chlorine dioxide from a leak in a water purification system pipe. The long-term effects of the accident included development of sensitivity to respiratory irritants (13 subjects), disability with loss of employment (11 subjects), and chronic fatigue (11 subjects). Nasal abnormalities (including injection, telangectasia, paleness, cobblestoning, edema, and thick mucus) were found in all 13 individuals. Nasal biopsies taken from the subjects revealed chronic inflammation, with lymphocytes and plasma cells present within the lamina propria in 11 of the 13 subjects; the inflammation was graded as mild in 2 subjects, moderate in 8 subjects, and severe in 1 subject.

I really liked this statement, "The chlorine dioxide doesn’t have the power until it converts to a chlorite and then it blows a hole in the side of the pathogen and thus killing it." Wow, that must be impressive. Could you give us a peer-reviewed, 3rd party, independent study that proves this is exactly what your product does, while not harming human tissues and blood? I mean, I'm sure your contentions are backed with credible scientific evidence, after all. Otherwise, you would just be pulling this stuff out of your butt.

You actually state in one of your movies that your product kills only the weaker cancer cells, which would put your formula in the same category as chemotherapy; if this were indeed true. Didn't you also claim that your product would not harm human tissues (like chemotherapy does)? Aren't the cancer tumors made from human tissues? Oh, I forgot: it's "selective". I suppose the moral here is to never underestimate the intelligence of chlorine, at least not atomically, and always underestimate the intelligence of the Health Wyze Report staff.

Round 3

It would seem only fair that someone being sarcastically critical of someone else's work should at least know their chemistry so that they can adequately explain the mistakes that persons is making. So let me correct their writing about how pathogens are killed so that later you the reader will be able to understand what really happens to diseases if you should take a drink of M.M.S..

My critic says, "Bleach kills the pathogens by poisoning them, and then corroding them." But you see that really isn't the chemical process at all. Actually the chlorine in the bleach actually attracts the electrons that hold the pathogen together and the pathogen and chlorine mix together to form a new compound and the pathogen is killed in the process of forming a compound with the chlorine. But although wrong, that really isn't important to us as M.M.S. uses chlorine dioxide and no chlorine is available. Chlorine dioxide kills in a different way. As I already explained the chlorine dioxide removes the electrons that hold it together and it flies apart or at least part of it does.

Then the critical writer asks for a list of bleach resistant good bacteria, and then he says we know that they do not exist and of course I have to agree. But then again I am not talking about bleach and chlorine. I am talking about chlorine dioxide a substance as different from chlorine as is table salt.

The next paragraph the critical writer mixes chlorine bleach and sterilization and chlorine dioxide sterilization so thoroughly together that I cannot explain what he is saying. They are not the same thing. They are not used in industry for the same thing except on occasion Yes chlorine is poisonous to most everything, but there is no chlorine in chlorine dioxide. This is confusing because it has that same word in it "Chlorine," but a chemist quickly comes to understand that they are not the same. If they were the same, then table salt would kill you.

So last year 975 thousand people in the US died after taking a dose of one drug or the other ALL OF WHICH WERE FDA APPROVED. During that same time more than one million people used M.M.S. and not a single one died and many reported getting better quickly. More than 5 million people have downloaded my free M.M.S. book. I have personally given more than 5000 sick people drinks of M.M.S.. Most of them became well in a few hours. I make no money from the sales of M.M.S.. I don't manufacture it, or sell it, or receive royalties from the sale of it. I am just trying to make Earth a better place to live.


We really don't care about your Chemistry 101 homework. Likewise, none of our readers care whether you believe that an electron moves this way, or that. Some people believe gremlins are under their beds, but that has nothing to do with the health effects of chlorine dioxide, or the price of eggs in China.

As far as nobody dying from M.M.S., perhaps you should review the news articles at: http://www.smh.com.au/national/death-in-paradise-20100108-lyxv.html and http://www.smh.com.au/national/deadly-chemical-being-sold-as-miracle-cure-20100108-lyvl.html.

You already knew about Silvia's death, because you publicly attacked her grieving husband for telling the press about the horrific details of her death.

Most people won't immediately die from M.M.S., but from long term secondary conditions such as cancers, which will be difficult to trace to their real causes. It usually takes a large amount to die quickly, so most M.M.S. deaths will be conveniently blamed elsewhere.

O.S.H.A. has this to report about chlorine dioxide:

"Chlorine dioxide is a very unstable material even at room temperatures and will explode on impact, when exposed to sparks or sunlight, or when heated rapidly to 100 degrees C (212 degrees F). Airborne concentrations greater than 10 percent may explode... Chlorine dioxide reacts with water or steam to form toxic and corrosive fumes of hydrochloric acid... Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in experimental animals... Chlorine dioxide dissolves in water to produce chlorate and chlorite ions. Chlorite has been shown to produce methemoglobin in rats and cats"

Methemoglobin, a particular type of hemoglobin is useless for carrying oxygen to tissues. Since hemoglobin is the key carrier of oxygen in the blood, its wholesale replacement by methemoglobin can cause cyanosis (a slate gray-blueness) due to suffocation.

The National Institutes of Health reported, "The results indicated that CIO2 may have central neurotoxic potential." (May?)

One of the material data sheets from a chlorine dioxide manufacturer states that chloride dioxide is:

"CORROSIVE to the eyes and skin. Can cause damage to vegetation. Inhalation: Severe respiratory irritant. May cause bronchospasm and pulmonary edema, which may be delayed in onset. May also cause severe headaches. All symptoms may be delayed and long lasting. Long term exposure may cause chronic bronchitis. An LC50 value of 500 ppm/15m3 (rat) is quoted in the literature. Skin Absorption: May be absorbed, causing tissue and blood cell damage. Ingestion: Not applicable except for solutions, in which case the symptoms would be expected to parallel those for inhalation. Hazardous Combustion Products: Chlorine, oxygen, and hydrochloric acid."

Pay attention to: "Ingestion: Not applicable except for solutions, in which case the symptoms would be expected to parallel those for inhalation." Thus, interested parties should investigate the identical inhalation results. (Your own work says its gas is released during product preparation.) We hope those electrons don't mind.

Closing Arguments

Instead of believing you guys are chemists and especially you Sarah, you should spend a little money with a professor of chemistry at a university. You guys are not chemists. You haven't a slightest clue as to the facts here. You are sailing along in la la land. You should have read that paper I suggested.

More than 5 million people have downloaded my basic free book. My total book is printed in 15 different languages. I have done lectures to hundreds of people all over Europe and other parts of the world with many actual chemists in the Audiences. Again you don't have a clue as to the chemistry. I have personally treated 5000 people and another 5000 over the internet all free of charge. More than a hundred thousand malaria victims were treated by people I trained and they were OK in less than 4 hours. Normally 400 out of that many would have died, but there were no deaths. I have seen more people cured of more diseases than any other person on Earth, you you guys are denying thousands of people the chance to overcome their suffering or to live a longer healthier life.

Please tell me why would I do this. I don't sell M.M.S.. I get no income from anyone who does sell M.M.S.. Why would I spend the time in the jungle. Can you possible believe that I just want to stand up in front of people and lie to them for no reason?

I am sorry. I was merely trying to help. All I have gotten out of you is sarcasm and hate. I am going to have to let you poor that out on someone else as I am not going to even bother reading the rest of your rebuttal. The last paragraph I have read is where you have laughingly tried to measure the oxidation voltage of hydrogen peroxide (Round 1). That is so dumb I can't believe you expert chemists could possible prepare the formula for an apple pie. You all have less knowledge of chemistry than a 6th grader and you then you call me names with sarcasm and hate. Frankly I don't see why you don't apply for a nice job at the FDA as you all have the same mentality. Here is a guy trying to help mankind so lets just see if we can make him look like shit. And you can, for a little while, then you will find that you were wrong about everything. I offered to help you and you just treated me worse that a cow.

I must not understand me. Maybe you can help. Why am I spending 18 hours a day doing all this for no income for the last 14 years. People didn't listen at all for the first 10 years, just the last 4 years. I spent all my retirement money and sold everything I own and gave my house trailer away to one of those homeless girls... [Word limit Reached]


Firstly, chemistry is not the solution to the diseases that plague our society. It's the cause.

Your success statistics are only available from you: an uncredible and self-serving source of information. We have given you chance after chance to provide real evidence that M.M.S. has some benefit, and that it is indeed safer than the bleach that it is. With thousands of purported 'miracle' cures worldwide, we would expect for at least one credible, independent, verifiable, 3rd party somewhere to actually document it.

If we ever decide to begin a business of poisoning already sick people (for instance with bleach) then we'll accept your advice about getting proper chemistry degrees. Until then, we'll suffice with our inferior educations.

Unlike yourself, real saints do not boast about their own greatness, stroke themselves publicly, or falsify information. You're far from the altruistic, selfless saint that you have consistently paraded yourself as being. It is unnecessary for truly righteous people to tell us of their greatness, and real saints have no desire to brag about themselves. You are hurting people, and you have willfully chosen to continue hurting people indefinitely. That is the opposite of saintly, as far as we are concerned.

Your allegation of not making money from your M.M.S. scam is cunning. You know that the one thing we cannot verify is your financial records, and therefore we cannot prove that you are lying about it. Be aware that this will quickly change if you are ever prosecuted in the U.S. for your crimes, because the incriminating evidence would become public records. When it happens, you can count on us to be one of the first to publish it. We noticed you moved to Mexico, which is a smart move. I likewise noticed that you said elsewhere, "I live in Mexico, just in case." Would a saint cowardly flee to another country, and would he even have a reason to?

Your personality closely matches a sociopathic boyfriend from when I was age 14. He was a convict and a pedophile in his middle thirties. This boyfriend followed the familiar sociopathic pattern of first reigning me in with fantastic fabrications about his history that made him appear heroic and saintly. Later, when he felt that his position and power had diminished somewhat, he began beating my spirit down by telling me about how inferior I was morally, and about how intellectually crippled I was. We know people like that, don't we, Mr. Humble? Finally, when all else failed, and he had become really desperate from his manipulation failures, he appealed to my conscience with guilt games about how I was hurting a modern day messiah. Sounds really familiar, doesn't it?

You are too arrogant to realize that you were beaten long ago, Mr. Humble, and you're too prideful to ever admit that we read you like a book from the very beginning. I hope this stands as a testament to your modus operandi, so that others will not be taken in by your slick games in the future.

Mr. Humble, you are in ours and many others' opinion, an inherently evil man.

May we call you "Jim"?

Epilogue

The wildly popular Signs of The Times (SOTT.net) site has backed The Health Wyze Report on the M.M.S. issue, and has reprinted both of our special reports about M.M.S. in their entirety. Because of this, Mr. Humble has moved onto trying to manipulate the people behind SOTT. He apparently felt that they would be easier targets considering how effective his manipulations have been with us. Mr. Humble has discovered that they are no easier. His newest claims about his own literal holiness are so incredible that we feel compelled to mention them.

Humble wrote:

"This church ['Spiritis Church', a.k.a. 'Liberal Catholic Church'] has come to us down through the centuries from the original apostles of Jesus Christ. There is an unbroken lineage of succession of Bishops for 2000 years to now. The name of each Bishop is recorded. The first apostles were Bishops. The Catholic Church broke off from this first Church 325 years AD, but the Original Church continued until now. You have never heard of it because it is small. It embraces all denominations of Christianity and actually all religions of the world and always has for 2000 years. I became a minister, a Deacon, a Priest, and finally a Bishop. So let me introduce myself again. I am Bishop James Humble...

"Let me introduce myself to you again, I am Bishop James V Humble concecrated [sic] into the lineage of Bishop leading back to Jesus Christ at Antioch when he gave the command, "go ye into the world and Heal the sick." As a Bishop I am expected to form a church which I have. The Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing. That is what we do. We do healing. We do healing free at no cost and support the church on donations. We do not teach religious truths, but rather leave that up to other churches while we concentrate on healing the sick. Our Ministers, of course, do the same."

With Humble being the master manipulator that he his, we believe that we know where he is going with this. He is eventually going to try to hide behind Americans' right of religious freedom by declaring that M.M.S. is his holy healing elixir, which is necessary for the practice of his 'faith', as soon as he finds himself arrested in the U.S., or his sales become too crippled by regulatory action.


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Robert Ferguson
# Robert Ferguson 2010-08-25 11:53
They're like parasites, aren't they? Maybe you should use MMS on some of these people. :-)

The most recent article here (heart disease) had a quote in it that I remember seeing in the magazine H.W. put out.

Quote:
Chlorine is the greatest crippler and killer of modern times. While it prevented epidemics of one disease, it was creating another. Two decades ago, after the start of chlorinating our drinking water in 1904, the present epidemic of heart trouble, cancer and senility began.
The chlorine compound used in municipal water is "MMS". They are exactly the same chemical. It was noticed at the beginning of the 1900's that the new "MMS" contamination of the water supplies was causing horrible diseases at levels never seen before, so they waited until the 1950's and then started using fluoride too! I'm glad they're looking out for us!

I decided to look up the guy who made the quote (Dr. Price), but there are so many Prices on the Internet that I ended up going in circles. Anyway, that's not important.

I came upon a page that pretty much spells out what a person can expect from MMS, because it cites what lower a dosage in the standard drinking water does.

http://www.holistichealthtools.com/chlorine.html

By the way. Great job guys. I know you two are taking a lot of flack from these types of articles, but somebody out there has to tell the truth. Somebody's got to play the cowboy when everyone else is too afraid.
Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor)
# Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor) 2010-09-01 04:57
This post contains a submitted comment. I would not normally post something like it, but it shows the modus operandi of Humble's M.M.S. inner circle. It was so slick and devious in its manipulations that it is disgusting. We are posting this because the psychological ploys it catalogs may be useful to potential victims of fraudsters, and to other reporters who likewise get astroturfed with this hapless garbage.

Here's a fun test for readers. Read the quote below and see how many of the manipulation tricks you can detect. My notes are at the bottom for you to check your success rate. It's fun. Try it!

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Sarah and Thomas,

FYI I am not an MMS seller or in any way connected with it's manufacture or distribution but I have researched it and used it not only myself but a number of friends and family members have received phenomenal results from MMS. I read your "article" about the MMS "fraud" and I must say it is appalling in it's lack of even the most basic factual basis. The MMS solution is NOT CHLORINE nor does it produce chlorine in the body or react as chlorine does. There is a wealth of factual information about how Chlorine Dioxide functions as a scavenger and killer of pathogens. The information provided on MMS information sites about how Chlorine Dioxide functions has been transparent and scientifically solid.

How can you even claim to be a site that informs about any! thing at all when your "information" that you postulate as fact is so fraught with gross error and misinformation that it would be laughable except for the fact that you are misleading people who are duped into believing your outrageous claims of researching subjects and "exposing frauds".

If your article and posts are read with any discerning intelligence at all it becomes obvious that your site is committing the fraud against the readers. The posts are such a flagrant smoke screen and insulting in their transparency as self generated propaganda to support the fantasies you put forward as "facts" that spit in the face of documented scientific evidence.

Of course this post probably won't make it onto your site because it is too truthful and real. As you put it, Thomas, you will probably just "censure out comments, which are obviously contrary to the welfare of our readership." HA!

You don't trust your readership to be intelligent enough to read open comments about content? Or more likely, you realize that they would come to the same conclusions that I did.

What ship did you say your readership was again? The TITANIC?
Notice in the quote that the manipulator believes that he has psychologically profiled me, and knows enough about my character to manipulate me. He's overestimating himself.

It's particularly interesting that this person knows that we are censuring such spams, and he would only know this if he had been flooding us with such messages using different names.

Test Yourself Time! How many did you spot?

1 - He's an anonymous, yet completely independent 3rd party who's just interested in scientific facts that support MMS sales.

2 - Even though he's an anonymous, independent 3rd party, and normal person, researching M.M.S. somehow is his hobby (scientifically of course).

3 - He says M.M.S. is not chlorine. (It's just chlorine dioxide used for chlorination). Thus, it is completely safe not being what it is.

4 - Bait and switch. He claimed that M.M.S. (pool disinfectant) is known to kill pathogens as his strong point of factual evidence, even though we never claimed that M.M.S. would not kill. In fact, Sarah wrote that it kills a little too well, and its destructive tendencies makes it an excellent bleaching agent for industrial use. Chlorine dioxide in the drinking water is probably the largest single cause of heart disease.

5 - Guilt. I am a very bad, bad, naughty editor. I am apparently hurting all of you by withholding MMS marketing, and I should be very ashamed.

6 - Turbo Guilt. He used my own editorial comments about managing a news source with journalistic integrity from when I wrote, "censure out comments, which are obviously contrary to the welfare of our readership." This one is slicker than is readily obvious, and this shows the mind of a sociopath. He spotted that quote elsewhere while looking for ammunition and building his profile of me. On one hand, he is attacking my integrity subtly with a freedom of speech implication, as if we owe him a marketing forum for his crap, and that we are trampling on his rights. This ploy is also intended to infer that I am preventing our readers from getting the type of open discussion that they want and deserve. Of course, I actually have no problems with legitimate discussions that are open and honest. Lies, on the other hand, are a problem.

7 - He made a sad attempt at reverse psychology. He implied that our not posting his deceitful marketing is somehow proof that he is right, therefore I'm forced to post the comment our of fear that I'll look wrong. Anyone who has studied sociopathology, or who has had the misfortune of being around such a person for any length of time will easily see the usual pattern of behavior by this point.

8 - He likes to mention scientific proof without actually mentioning any scientific proof. Claims of con-men are not scientific proof.

9 - Finally, the overall writing style and belittling platitudes about superior intelligence closely match those of Jim Humble's, and we're certain that it is him. He likes to write to us using different names, in the same way that criminals use different aliases.
Jonathan Campbell
# Great debate! Jonathan Campbell 2010-11-01 20:25
I have written a short article on my website about MMS, which everyone will enjoy. It's at http://www.cqs.com/mms.htm

The thing that is missing from the debate is that Humble's claim that MMS (aka sodium chlorite -> chlorine dioxide) does not create elemental chlorine is patently false. I found this out from Joe Thornton's book Pandora's Poison.

Apparently the notion that CLO2 was "elemental chlorine free" was a marketing ploy by the pulp/paper industry, and what it meant literally is that they no longer actually used elemental chlorine as an input chemical. But when CLO2 is created in water from aqueous sodium chlorite, it immediately reacts with water to produce both elemental chlorine and hypochlorous acid as byproducts! The proof is that the pulp/paper plants still created huge amounts of chlorinated hydrocarbon contamination in the wastewater.

So all of Jim Humble's claims about the "safety" of MMS because it doesn't have any elemental chlorine are complete bunk.

Regards
Jonathan
Zack Wesley
# intersting debate Zack Wesley 2011-08-08 18:18
very interesting debate but I do not understand your hostility and sarcasm that you are using in arguing your points.

don't you think it would be more productive to use your arguments to drive your point?
Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor)
# Thomas Corriher (Managing Editor) 2011-08-15 12:38
If the debate had been polite, despite Humble's unwillingness to obey his own rules, then we would have not accomplished anything. The tone of the debate is exactly why this report became somewhat viral on the Net, and therefore, we almost certainly saved more people with our aggressiveness. As editor, I stand behind my decision to have Sarah go after Humble with a "no holding back" policy. We would gladly do it again.

We try to help people who are merely mislead, but Humble is causing people to be mislead. There are no chivalrous rules of engagement when fighting the devil. Jim Humble boasts of his chemistry knowledge everywhere, which means that he knows exactly what he is doing to people, and he's doing it on purpose. He is truly evil.

We can save people or we can be politically correct cowards like you are. That decision was made long ago.
Lois Kolbet
# Jim Humble and automatic garage door Lois Kolbet 2013-07-05 16:19
From Wikipedia: The electric overhead garage door opener was invented by C.G. Johnson in 1926 in Hartford City, Indiana.

From Jim's website: On top of all this, he also single handedly designed and built the first working model for the automated garage door that we all now take for granted!

Now there are five stages of the automatic garage door opener, so he may have done one of them...
onya nwokedi
# I know im late! onya nwokedi 2016-02-26 11:53
It's so sad. This whole thing is sad.
I know for a fact MMS is a killer I am UK BSc Chemistry and Forensic Science holder and have a Masters in Toxicology. Obviously I was laughing out loud to myself when he kept mentioning electrons.
Anyway the sad part is he and many others out there are praying on all those with no hope who have given up on conventional medicine. Those who have been told by their Doctors theres nothing we can do. Those are the desperate people seeking hope and will believe anything alternative you tell them. That's who he gets.

By the way I am victim too as I tried it plus the MMS2
What is does is make you within seconds violently through up your entire stomach contents (remember you have to take it on an empty stomach to be most effective) of which hours later you will be lying in bed with extricating stomach pain as if your stomach acid is burning through your intestinal wall. Thats what I experienced and that was with 7 drops.
Anyway I couldn't stand the smell, the constant vomiting and stomach pain soon put me off, but a friend of mine still uses it. i have noticed over the years he is looking more and more unhealthy, thin, older, just plain old unhealthy.
Till this day I can't stand by a swimming pool and smell chlorine and not gag a little.

MMS i literally poison

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